Posted by: Gregoryno6 | December 6, 2021

Another Australian cop speaks out.

Stephen Kelly is a 28 year police veteran who has spent the majority of his career in the Coronial Law Unit assisting the Coroner with inquests. He has an excellent understanding of medical practice and the law.

And he doesn’t pull his punches.


  1. Love this guy

  2. People like this should be managing the country rather than boffins following streams of ‘data’ with no practical experience.

  3. I can expand that – the tyranny we face is rule by scientists and number-crunchers, as in Brave New World’s dystopia. Boffins used to serve the government, now the government serves the boffins – ‘health advice’. When did this start? We switched from British traditions to American (including Canadian) ones after WW2. Because the American way, based on ‘science’ and mathematicians, won the war and was seen as the future. I was in the Dept of Social Services when Gough Whitlam took over and it became Dept of Social Security, with a massive expansion of the civil service – clear Americanisation replacing British. It’s been forgotten that Gough was just copying Canada and the US.

    In the 1950s there was an explosion in US academia of sociologists and data men who wrote books solving all the world’s problems supposedly, full of data!, the culmination was the Vietnam war which was based on data and science, completely ignoring the human cost, or human complexity in the real world like here now in Stephen Kelly’s practical experience. The boffins (health experts, climate professionals) are the priests of the new secular religion, whose word is gospel. We need to restore a balance and recognise the wisdom of ordinary people. That’s my axe to grind, which doesn’t fit in any party at the moment. I’m close to the new Aristotelian conservatives, but few know about them outside Catholic universities (both Roman and Anglican), and they don’t make sensational headlines.

    • Can you name a few, Bruce? Do they appear online, in print or video?

      • Weird, I posted a response to yr question focussing on the philosopher Alasdaire MacIntyre but it must have gone to mod. It had 2 links, one to his book at Notre Dame uni press, the other to an article about him in First Things the online magazine. I doubt you have time to get into them anyway as they involve a lot of previous knowledge, which I’ve been delving into for near 30 yrs. I could see if a Youtube link works, how about Adrian Vermeule at Harvard?

        Not as polarised as what I said above, but in a similar vein.

        • I’ve just taken your first comment out of moderation. Thanks for the replies, bruce.

          • Sorry to take up so much space here, it’s a bad habit of mine. I’d be happy to say more by email. Can you see my email? Feel free to write if you want to ask anything.

            • Thanks, I’ll follow up your links and I’ll probably have a few questions after that.

        • Vermeule refers to ‘Oppian’s precepts’:

          Also to Justice Fuller of the Supreme Court:

      • Aquinas followed Aristotle, he brought Aristotelianism back into western civilisation. Even in Australia’s law schools 30 yrs ago, first yr students had to know and be tested on Aquinas’s writings. I’m impressed that he is being championed by Vermeule at Harvard. In the 1950s as I say, American universities were all out for ‘data’ (to win the Cold War). Now things have changed (not quickly enough for US conservatives of course, and Vermeule has a lot of opposition from the left also). I guess you could complain that it’s ‘How many angels on the head of a pin’ while the world burns, and I feel that. For me at least its an escape from constant data and counter-data!

  4. That’s my manifesto. There are all sorts of reasons why fighting against rule by mathematicians and ‘data’ is a losing cause – the whole world has adopted this path for one thing. At least some of us may try to preserve the memory that it wasn’t always like this – as recently as pre WW2 – and that there should be an alternative to numbers and ‘data’ ‘uber alles’.

  5. Oh, well I discovered the Aristotelian perspective by reading Alasdaire MacIntyre, who argues that the Enlightenment destroyed the previous holistic western worldview. The title of this book puts it bluntly:

    The problem is how to apply it. Above is my take, others go differently. I studied philosophy and politics, along with Asian history and culture, and it was all very relevant, but nowadays all that debate is swept away even among conservatives by people who want to argue data. Except in the field of law, which must be why even QCs in Vic are among those opposed to the new Hobbesianism and Utilitarianism.

    The question of whether abstract mathematics should rule goes back to Plato. Aristotle instead proposed a logic of the real world which he saw as holistic. Like how people have a common culture – holistically. Plato wanted philosopher kings – dictators. Aristotle proposed politics instead, arising from debate among people with shared interests. blah blah

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